People In Tech an Audio Learning Platform 🎧

September 24, 2020 Caleb King
People In Tech an Audio Learning Platform 🎧
People In Tech an Audio Learning Platform 🎧
Sep 24, 2020
Caleb King

Are you tired of buying online courses to find yourself too busy to sit down and watch them? You need to check out Knowable.

Knowable is a first-of-its-kind audio learning platform and library of original, expert-led audio courses. We create immersive, screen-free learning experiences that help people get inspired, learn new things, and accomplish their personal and professional goals.

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Warren Shaeffer is a 2x company co-founder, a 2x human co-founder, and a 1st generation American. He's currently the CEO and Co-founder of Knowable, a venture-backed audio platform whose mission is to unlock billions of hours of learning time in order to help more people achieve their potential. He started Knowable to solve his own problem: he wanted to learn new skills, but couldn't find the time for video courses.

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Are you tired of buying online courses to find yourself too busy to sit down and watch them? You need to check out Knowable.

Knowable is a first-of-its-kind audio learning platform and library of original, expert-led audio courses. We create immersive, screen-free learning experiences that help people get inspired, learn new things, and accomplish their personal and professional goals.

Who did you interview?
Warren Shaeffer is a 2x company co-founder, a 2x human co-founder, and a 1st generation American. He's currently the CEO and Co-founder of Knowable, a venture-backed audio platform whose mission is to unlock billions of hours of learning time in order to help more people achieve their potential. He started Knowable to solve his own problem: he wanted to learn new skills, but couldn't find the time for video courses.

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[00:00:00] Caleb: [00:00:00] one more thing, tech people, I forgot to mention, make sure to go to our website, people in, sign up for our mailing list and then also join the Facebook group. We're trying to build a community of tech people where you can help communicate and grow together. Now for me talking though, let's jump into this interview, Warren, thanks so much for being on a show.

[00:00:22] And before we get started, we always love to ask our guests, how 

[00:00:26] Warren: [00:00:26] did you get into tech? First off. Hey Caleb, thanks so much for having me on the show. I'm really excited to be here and to talk with you. My entrance into tech started, I think when I was a kid by virtue of running a lemonade stand and then realizing that I could actually get other people to help run the lemonade stand and grow the lemonade stand.

[00:00:49] And that was my first taste of scaling and realizing that. When you work with other people or you build systems, you can amplify [00:01:00] your efforts. And I spent some years living in San Francisco and a lot of my friends were starting companies and ended up moving out to LA to be closer to family, but found an accelerator there in LA and found my people there.

[00:01:16] Okay. 

[00:01:17] Caleb: [00:01:17] So like you said, dude, your very first job is running a lemonade stand franchise. Let's call it a franchise. but you know, Warren, we did some research on you. We have a timeline on you. So eliminates now with your first one, but we heard the worst job you ever had with a parking lot attendant. So yeah.

[00:01:36] Yeah. So what made that the worst job? Just curious. 

[00:01:40] Warren: [00:01:40] I mean, I, I really, I guess I think of the lemonade stand out as a job and more of as a, as a business. So, so I really enjoyed that. The. First job I really had was being a parking lot attending. And my job was to sit in a chair and make sure that no one parked in the parking lot and then went to the beach, which was ridiculously [00:02:00] far away.

[00:02:00] So no one ever really even did this. And it, it felt like a really pointless job. I felt like I wasn't having a positive impact in the world. and it also just felt really tedious and. Repetitive and I, yeah, I didn't last long there. 

[00:02:18] Caleb: [00:02:18] So safe to say, maybe not enough of a challenge for you. 

[00:02:22] Warren: [00:02:22] Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.

[00:02:23] Caleb: [00:02:23] Okay. And then let's fast forward a little bit, because I want our listeners to know a little bit about you before we dive into noble. So we understand lemonade stand parking attendant. Typical thing. Most of us do what we don't usually do is get into investment banking. So you worked at JP Morgan, you graduated from Harvard, you were investor at golden gate capital.

[00:02:46] So my question is. Did you, were you always a financial person? Did you have a background and buying your family, helping you with these things? 

[00:02:58] Warren: [00:02:58] I'm first generation [00:03:00] American. My parents came to the States a couple of years before I was born from Eastern Europe and they didn't come with much, but they landed in a really affluent neighborhood and, and, Newport beach, California.

[00:03:12] And. so I got to see the lit a lot of people knew how to make money. and, and I think that was. You know, I knew it was possible. so that was, was helpful. and my family kind of dissolved when I was 12. I actually ended up moving in with, with friends who live down the street. And, so I took out a lot of student debt to pay for Harvard and knew that I wanted to pay that off as quickly as possible.

[00:03:39] And working in finance felt like a, a really great foundational education, because he learned practical skills that are important. For any business at the end of the day, right? You have to have, you have to know how to finance it. and B it was a path to making money quickly, so I could pay off my student loans, save up some money early in my life and be able to [00:04:00] have the chance to then take a, take a risk quote unquote, by, by working on a startup later.

[00:04:06] Caleb: [00:04:06] So let's talk about taking a risk. A lot of our listeners, Warren, they come to me, whether they have ideas, I have aspirations. They say, Hey, I have the next Facebook. I have this amazing app. I want to do whatever the case is right now at the time. And correct me if I'm wrong. you had a great job, as an investor, what was the breaking point for you to say, you know what?

[00:04:27] I need to take a risk and try to do 

[00:04:30] Warren: [00:04:30] my first startup. 

[00:04:32] Caleb: [00:04:32] Yeah. A lot of the. 

[00:04:34] Warren: [00:04:34] People on the finance track. We'll, we'll spend a couple of years at a private equity firm and then go to business school. And as I was thinking about business school, I, I realized that if I went to business school, I would take on more debt.

[00:04:47] In which case I'd have to get a high paying job to pay back that debt reliably. And that to me at the time actually felt like a bigger risk than not trying something on my own. [00:05:00] And. Taking a different path. And I think that if you do the thing that everyone else is doing, you will by definition have an average outcome.

[00:05:09] So you have to really be thoughtful of who do you want to model your outcome after and who do you want to be down the road? And when I looked into the future, I felt like I would regret not trying to start something and to scale something and to have a big impact. I like 

[00:05:28] Caleb: [00:05:28] that. So let's talk about your first startup.

[00:05:30]my understanding was a company called social engine. Is that correct? 

[00:05:34] Warren: [00:05:34] Yeah, there were, there were some ideas and a half starts before that, but social engine was, was the first real startup, where I had a, had a leadership position and. And, I had teamed up with my current co-founder Alex who actually had started even before me.

[00:05:51] And he brought me on to co-run it. And we ended up scaling the business and selling it in 2014. 

[00:05:58] Caleb: [00:05:58] So let's just talk about the, [00:06:00] the thought process and, you know, this is the overall journey of saying, okay, I have a job, I have my friend, Alex, you said Alex. Yeah. And, you know, finally coming together and saying like, what's.

[00:06:13] Do this well, does it something you guys were, you know, having a beer over, he pitched your idea and you pitch your idea outside of that. Was it okay, Lauren, quit tomorrow. Let's start doing this nine to five. This help our listeners understand the journey. 

[00:06:28] Warren: [00:06:28] Yeah. There's actually a step between meeting Alex and.

[00:06:33] And working on social engines together. And that was, I moved from San Francisco to LA to be closer, a family, and ended up working on a, working on a mucker lab, which is an accelerator that's been around for about eight years, but was just getting started when I moved to LA and. I, had teamed up with my brother to help him with an idea that he had come up with.

[00:06:55] And we basically made every first time founder mistake possible [00:07:00] and ended up, deciding not, not to move forward with the idea. And Alex around the same time had also had a founder breakup. And so we, we both, got to know each other sort of commiserating over the challenges of, of having a fennel relationship and just started talking about ideas that we would be excited to work on together.

[00:07:18] And, and, I was contracting with some other startups, including Tastemade in LA, but just kept coming back to this idea of Alex was somebody that I wanted to work with. And, and I felt lucky enough that he felt the same and, Yeah, we have really complimentary skills, so we're excited to work together.

[00:07:33] So let's 

[00:07:33] Caleb: [00:07:33] talk about those skill sets. So is it safe to say you're more on the business financial side? 

[00:07:38] Warren: [00:07:38] That's right. Yeah. And Alex is a as a designer and a developer. 

[00:07:43] Caleb: [00:07:43] Okay. So what there. I guess obstacles and turn them. I guess I feel like a lot of people struggle with, they have maybe one part of a startup idea, or they have this one particular skill set and then don't have the other, and now building that [00:08:00] trust built in our relationship.

[00:08:01] So I guess my question you want is, you know, how did you know it was something that was working? What was some tail sign they're like, this is actually positive where we should keep moving 

[00:08:10] Warren: [00:08:10] forward. Yeah, the clearest sign for me was Alex would talk to me about what he was working on and I was excited to drop everything and work on whatever problem he was presenting me with.

[00:08:24] And that's such a great feeling. You kind of, you just know it when you see it or feel it, but it's flow, right? It's that sense of, Oh, I'm my skills are. At the level of this challenge and, and that's really exciting and it feels like a growth opportunity. So that really clicked when, when Alex and I started working 

[00:08:44] Caleb: [00:08:44] together.

[00:08:45] Now, did you ever feel you didn't have enough experience or you weren't necessarily qualified to be a CEO, be a founder? Did you ever have that self doubt? 

[00:08:56] Warren: [00:08:56] Definitely all the time. I think like up until maybe this [00:09:00] year, I felt a lot of doubt and I think that's so normal. I'm glad you asked that question. I just want to normalize that fear for everyone.

[00:09:06] We're all figuring it out as we go. And for me there, there are so many lines because I've learned along the way experience is just so valuable, but the Fred Wilson adage of what does a CEO do and simplifying it. To the point of three steps. One is set a mission for the company. Two is find and hire the best people to fulfill that mission and make sure that they know what the mission is.

[00:09:33] And three is make sure there's a way to pay those people. I think you can do a lot more and you need to do a lot more too, but at the core of it, That's a CEO's job. And so realizing that and staying focused on that has been, been really helpful. 

[00:09:49] Caleb: [00:09:49] So 2013 you're working on social engine makes really good progress and eventually gets acquired.

[00:09:56] Warren: [00:09:56] Yeah. So 

[00:09:58] Caleb: [00:09:58] how was that? What was that like? I [00:10:00] mean, was it a email, a text, a call, and then what was going through your mind? You're like, Holy crap. Like we did it. 

[00:10:06] Warren: [00:10:06] Yeah. Selling a company, it requires so many things to align, right. Or requires a seller, the right, the right buyer, the right seller interest, the right price, the right timing. So it felt, it felt like an accomplishment to find somebody else that wanted to take it and continue to run it and continue to grow it and make sure that the customers were still served and on terms that were great for Alex and I, and you know, for him and I, we had some other ideas that we thought would be bigger and more scalable, and it made sense to, to focus on those ideas and let social engine be cared for by somebody who was more interested in focusing on that business exclusively.

[00:10:51] Very 

[00:10:51] Caleb: [00:10:51] cool. And that totally makes sense. Right? Like, I think that's probably something, a lot of my listeners and including myself struggle with that's the idea like, [00:11:00] okay, I have a decent idea, but I don't think it's could be a Facebook. Right? You are making momentum. It is filling a niche. You are, you know, you have a market that you can really tap into.

[00:11:12] So also understanding like an expert, right? 

[00:11:17] Warren: [00:11:17] Yeah. Yeah. I think it's important to know. Where your business fits in the world, right? Is it kind of be something like a Facebook that can be a platform that can grow and expand the globe? Or is it something that feels more like a lifestyle business, having a clear sense of what you're trying to build from the start as is really 

[00:11:36] Caleb: [00:11:36] valuable.

[00:11:37] So you go from your first startup, then you go into your next one, which I heard of, and. For David listeners, for those of you who aren't aware of Warren, then we'll see a cofounder and me and what Vinny acquired by 

[00:11:50] Warren: [00:11:50] Jeffy. Giphy. Yeah. 

[00:11:52] Caleb: [00:11:52] If yes. And we all use Giphy all the time. And when I saw that, I was like, Holy God, this was a guy who worked on [00:12:00] that.

[00:12:00] That's amazing. But it's ultimately the YouTube Reddit hybrid is one way I would sum it up. 

[00:12:06] Warren: [00:12:06] Would you agree? Yeah. Yeah. It, it evolved over the course of its life, but it really was in many ways, I think we called it a love child between Reddit and YouTube. and in terms of, you know, user generated video, but crowd curation and, and categories, being, being more important than just followers.

[00:12:26]we also were, so our knowledge is the first platform to introduce direct fan, to create our tipping two, which we're really proud of. A lot of critters made money who, you know, they. Wouldn't necessarily have made money from ads, but were able to monetize a devoted and an excited audience. 

[00:12:44] Caleb: [00:12:44] Very cool. So, Warren, I want to give you an opportunity because the reason I'm excited about this episode, I want to talk about knowable.

[00:12:51] Cool. So I'll let you pitch it. What is knowable? Why should people download this app? 

[00:12:58] Warren: [00:12:58] So noble [00:13:00] is a place where you can get really high quality audio, first education. Okay. We bring together awesome audio storytellers from places like NPR, Washington, post New York times. And we marry them with leading experts to create podcast style courses.

[00:13:21] So you can learn without having to stare at a screen. That means that you can learn on your drive, on your walk, on your run at the gym. I'm doing dishes. We want to help people the most of their time so that they can learn more and get closer to realizing their potential. 

[00:13:37] Caleb: [00:13:37] And Damon listeners. I, so it's kind of funny me and when we're talking about an agreement with before, but the way I found knowable was you guys know I'm a huge fan of learning.

[00:13:47] So I've gone masterclass, but master class, it's all video. And my issue is I run, I walk, I walked my dog, I'm outside, whatever the case is. And I listen to a lot of audio, usually it's podcast. [00:14:00] And I was just thinking to myself, there has to be like a masterclass. Well audio and I find Warren's idea. So, before I asked me that question, I do, because I'm a huge fan of it.

[00:14:10] Warren, I'm very, very impressed with a lot of them. Of course, as you guys have on there, from the launching a startup to speaking with confidence to, I know negotiation negotiate, anything is coming out soon, but not only when, not only do you have great content and you actually bring in real experts who chime in.

[00:14:32] Warren: [00:14:32] Yeah, well, first off, thank you for, for being a fan. or we're glad to have you come up and are always looking to for the product. So, so maybe we can spend some time to talking about ideas that you have, but in terms of the experts, we really pride ourselves on finding the very best, both in terms of their, their knowledge and their ability to convey that knowledge.

[00:14:51] So the way our courses are structured, are we actually. Each course has a host who is a great, it has a lot of audio experience. Who can they go [00:15:00] then go and talk with the experts and make sure that we're extracting, but the nuggets of wisdom, the real actionable insights, so that we can share those with the listeners and really maximize their learning permanent.

[00:15:13] Caleb: [00:15:13] So my next question for you, Warren, why is audio the new frontier for learning? 

[00:15:21] Warren: [00:15:21] Glad you asked that. So a few things, one is that audio time is increasing for a lot of people setting aside the coronavirus, and hopefully it resolves soon, but. If you're in your car, it's really hard to start video screen, right.

[00:15:38] Or if you're running or at the gym or doing dishes or walking your dog, but things like wireless headphones and connected cars and smart speakers are opening up audio time, like never before. And when you look at the e-learning space today, it is a projection. It'd be a $300 billion market globally in the next five years.

[00:15:58] And maybe even more than that, [00:16:00] thanks to COVID. and yet every player in the space is focused on video and this idea that you have to stare at a screen in order to learn in a structured way. However, the number one reason, Caleb, that people say they listen to podcasts. According to a recent Edison research report is that they want to learn new things.

[00:16:19]so like you say, you want to learn. That's how people are going to podcast prep. predominantly, and we want to be the audio learning company because we see a voice in the market. And frankly, the whole idea started from, from my own problem, which is I've become a parent in the past few years and my free time has shrunk.

[00:16:40] And yet I want to keep learning and finding video courses that can keep my attention. I'm staring at a screen. It's hard, but I do have audio time and I'm excited to help others fill that time, and myself as well with great educational expert led courses. 

[00:16:58] Caleb: [00:16:58] And yeah, I'm [00:17:00] totally with you there, Warren, because I'm listening to the launch of startup course, which you currently offer.

[00:17:06] And one thing I really enjoyed about that, I was listening to it. On a business flight to San Antonio. So this is pre COVID-19. I'm just thinking to myself like, okay, what is I downloaded my chapters? Getting on a plane. It's only about two hour flight from Phoenix to San Antonio. and what I really enjoyed about your guys courses is it's not just audio, but you are adding some action items where it's like, Hey, here's some resources and here's some information you can click on and, you know, maybe create whatever it is that courses I'm specifically talking about.

[00:17:38] But I do want to talk about something cause I'm going to be a feature parent coming soon. 

[00:17:43] Warren: [00:17:43] Cool. 

[00:17:44] Caleb: [00:17:44] How has becoming a parent. Made you a better entrepreneur. 

[00:17:50] Warren: [00:17:50] First, I want to mention the resources and, and clarify that we think of ourselves as an audio first education platform. So really our goal, our mission statement is we want to help people learn [00:18:00] more so they can achieve their goals.

[00:18:01] We have. And I think that audio is such a great beachhead into the education space, but we really want to be your companion. However we can. So things like resources are really crucial. And for this sort of course, I don't know killed if you notice, but we struck a deal with Amazon web services where anyone who takes cause that startup course gets the thousand dollars and free credits from AWS.

[00:18:21] So we really wanted to make the course that we wish we had when we started out as entrepreneurs, we want to give people everything we can to increase our chances of success. So. that, that was just a first mention on the, on the resources point, 

[00:18:35] Caleb: [00:18:35] which is amazing by the way, because a thousand dollars and for anybody who hasn't worked with any cloud service technology, like for example, Google cloud platform, you might get $300.

[00:18:45] That's pretty much enough to set up a static website, not touch it for a year and you still might cut it close. So a thousand dollars in AWS is plenty to at least get an MVP out there. 

[00:18:55] Warren: [00:18:55] So 

[00:18:56] Caleb: [00:18:56] that is phenomenal. I, I saw it. I did not [00:19:00] necessarily. Know about it. So that's something I need to go back to you and check in.

[00:19:03] Yeah. 

[00:19:03] Warren: [00:19:03] I just saved you a thousand dollars. 

[00:19:05] Caleb: [00:19:05] You definitely did. Thank you so much. Going, 

[00:19:08] Warren: [00:19:08] going to your other point about parenting. Well, congratulations again, we talked about it a little bit in the green room, but, it's, it's an exciting chapter. and I think. There's really a before and after for becoming a parent, it's really, really hard to know what it's going to be like until you're actually in it.

[00:19:25] And the reality is it's really consuming. And I think that I used to think that you couldn't be a parent and the successful entrepreneur, and obviously I'm biased, but I've changed my thinking a lot about that because I think being a parent actually forces you to really be thoughtful with your time.

[00:19:47] And really focused on what your priorities are too, because when you have a child, you want us on a lot of time with that, that person, and you need to weigh your alternatives [00:20:00] very honestly. So, you know, do I want to be spending time in this meeting or do I want to be spending time with my kid and it forces you to be more.

[00:20:12] Critical of leveraging your impact in your time that you do have. So I feel like it's made me a more efficient, entrepreneur 

[00:20:21] Caleb: [00:20:21] that gives you hope because part of me says, I am going to have this fraternity leave. I'm going to have all this free time. Could the babies go to sleep every two hours and I'll be, we'll see how it actually goes.

[00:20:31] I'll check in with you in a few months to see how I'm doing. But, that was very positive for you to say and, and gives me hope too, because, the one challenging, and maybe there's more of a mini vent for me, but I do get frustrated when I hear people say, I don't have time. I don't have time. I got kids, I got family that's on time.

[00:20:49] And, you know, I always like to say, you know, you control your time and it's that kind of piggybacking off your point, you know, it's just forcing you to. Be more organized, [00:21:00] prioritize what's important to you and making sure there doing things that going to address. 

[00:21:04] Warren: [00:21:04] Totally. It's not, it's not easy. and it certainly acquire sacrifices, right?

[00:21:08] We all are operating with the same number of hours, but there are ways that you become more efficient and you re you have to remember that necessity is the mother of invention. So if you've got 40 hours to make an idea work, and you really care about that idea, you can do 

[00:21:22] Caleb: [00:21:22] it.

[00:21:23]So Warren recently, I started reading the book, start with why by Simon Sinek. I don't know if you've checked it out yet, but one of the things. It pretty much the title says itself, like what is the, why? A lot of us talk about the, what a lot of it's like to tell you to how, you know, we are a computer company.

[00:21:45] We make amazing computers, how we do it. We have the best manufacturer, but end of the day, what is the why? So why did you start know what is 

[00:21:56] Warren: [00:21:56] knowable as water? Yeah. Noble's [00:22:00] vision is to unlock billions of hours of learning time for people around the world so that they can get closer to realizing their potential.

[00:22:08] And to me, I think it's the why it's such an important question, right? Because it's not about, Oh, we're masterclass for audio. It's about what is it? We're trying to have an impact and thinking about. Our end users first, our customers first and how we can have a positive impact for them and give more value than we take.

[00:22:29] And I think any company or entrepreneur that does, that will ultimately be successful, right? If you're giving more than you take you're, you're going to add value to people and then to yourself, ultimately, too. Right. 

[00:22:44] Caleb: [00:22:44] So more, the reality is 2020. A lot of us are, you know, fighting as a coronavirus COVID-19, which is very unfortunate.

[00:22:53] But I did want to bring this up because I'm curious your startup, you know, you guys are trying to, you know, [00:23:00] make an impact in the world, but something like this occurs, how are you managing lists? Do you have distributed teams? You may CEO, what has been your leadership style going through this 

[00:23:10] Warren: [00:23:10] time?

[00:23:11] Yeah. So does this for time setting where it's March we're in mid March. So this has been going on for and seriousness for a couple of weeks now, and it's definitely been a. Challenging time. fortunately for us, Nobel was already a distributed team, so we're used to working remotely. and also fortunately we don't have a retail presence where a business requires, you know, customer's foot traffic, customers were coming in through foot rather.

[00:23:42] And so we're, we're in a really fortunate position as, as a business. For me personally, I, you know, really just trying to be. We're actually working on a course right now. That's, it's going to be a free course on working from home. And the goal with this course is actually for it to be about the [00:24:00] emotional side of working from home, right.

[00:24:01] There are a lot of practical guides of, you know, Hey, take a shower or in the morning and put on your pants and, talk on video. But. I think not a lot of people are talking about the emotional challenges of working from home when your kids are also at home and your partner is also at home and the world feels scary for a lot of people.

[00:24:24] So as a. As a good teammate. I am really just trying to be a good human. So to the people around me, and that means checking in on them. We do a weekly standing meeting on a weekly zoom on, on Mondays, for the whole team. And we start off just by talking about tips for self care. Like what are people doing to look after themselves, checking in on people, asking them how they're doing.

[00:24:46] And that's, you know, we have an agenda doc and it it's, it's the first 10 minutes of the meeting, or just checking in on everyone as a 

[00:24:52] Caleb: [00:24:52] human. So what technology software solution do you would say are critical that allows you to not only [00:25:00] continue to move forward with your work, but to really dive in a timeline?

[00:25:04] Warren: [00:25:04] Yeah. Zoom has really made. Remote work possible. This is the first company that Alex and I overrun totally remote. And I think when it was over Google Hangouts, it just, it wasn't quite good enough. But with zoom, the lift latency is low enough to where you feel almost like you're with that person who you're talking with or the people that you're talking with.

[00:25:27] So the same has been really critical. Slack certainly helps to keep everybody on the same page and, you know, people who aren't in the same space, realizing that. Work is happening in different, different pods. and Google docs, certainly there's the big three for us. 

[00:25:42] Caleb: [00:25:42] Okay. And I'm curious how big is noble as a company 

[00:25:46] Warren: [00:25:46] we're 10 full time right now.

[00:25:48] That's wow. 

[00:25:49] Caleb: [00:25:49] That's amazing. Cause I, I'm not gonna lie. I would be under impression that based off the content you guys create, I would assume 50 to a hundred, maybe even 200. 

[00:26:00] [00:26:00] Warren: [00:26:00] Thanks. Yeah. We're, I'm really impressed with the team that we've put together and everybody really cares about the mission and serving our customers and, and over-serving them.

[00:26:08] And yeah, we've done a lot in a short period of time. 

[00:26:13] Caleb: [00:26:13] Very cool. So Warren, I like to go into a segment of the podcast called rapid fire. So I have a few fun questions for you. Do not feel pressured that you can not answer him because I have plenty more to give you. Are you ready? 

[00:26:30] Warren: [00:26:30] I am ready. All 

[00:26:31] Caleb: [00:26:31] right.

[00:26:31] I'm good to start before and let's see how, so your first question, Lauren, if you can undo one moment in your life, what would it be?

[00:26:41]Warren: [00:26:41] I don't have an answer for that one. I feel like, yeah, I don't have any regrets. 

[00:26:45] Caleb: [00:26:45] Next question. I like it. Warren brag to me about the best thing going on in your life. The past 30 days, 

[00:26:58] Warren: [00:26:58] the best thing going on for me in the [00:27:00] past 30 days is I am hosting this course on work from home. It's going to be a free course.

[00:27:08] And I think it would be exceptionally helpful to a lot of people, a really challenging time. And that feels really good. 

[00:27:17] Caleb: [00:27:17] Next question. What characteristic are you most known for? 

[00:27:25] Warren: [00:27:25] I don't know. Good question. Probably. Maybe I have curly. I have kind of like unkempt, curly hair. I think that's my trademark.

[00:27:31] Look. The hairstyle 

[00:27:34] Caleb: [00:27:34] that 

[00:27:34] Warren: [00:27:34] the severe sidebar. Yeah. 

[00:27:37] Caleb: [00:27:37] It makes it unique. It's awesome. I like it. 

[00:27:39] Warren: [00:27:39] Thank you. 

[00:27:41] Caleb: [00:27:41] Alright, one more question. I don't like that question. Let me come back out of here. We asked you this question. I really liked this one too. This one might help you. It might not. If you had someone following you around all the time, what would you have them do? [00:28:00]

[00:28:00]Warren: [00:28:00] I think I would ask them to remind me to be present. 

[00:28:04] Caleb: [00:28:04] That's a valid one. I cannot tell you how many meetings I'm in and people were playing two dots and, you know, angry birds and I'm like close your laptops. 

[00:28:14] Warren: [00:28:14] Yeah. 

[00:28:14] Caleb: [00:28:14] It's team. Meaning that that's a very valid answer. 

[00:28:17] Warren: [00:28:17] It's so powerful when you can really be present.

[00:28:19] And especially today we're, we're so pulled in so many directions. And I think multitasking is very unproductive and very deleterious for personal happiness. And. Yeah, achieving goals. So finding a voice to remind you of staying in the now is, would be a good one. 

[00:28:42] Caleb: [00:28:42] I like that. I have one more question for you, but it's one to tell you.

[00:28:44] I asked my wife that question. She's always like, Oh, somebody to answer the phone to me. Cause I don't want to answer it. 

[00:28:50] Warren: [00:28:50] So she's in the band. She's a popular person. 

[00:28:54] Caleb: [00:28:54] Yeah. Apparently. so one last question for you. Let's say you have [00:29:00] your once in a lifetime dinner who are the four people you're inviting to dinner pass, present.

[00:29:09] Can't really say feature, but past and present.


[00:29:13]Warren: [00:29:13] I'm certainly gonna take, I'd like to take my wife and my kids. Maybe I'm maybe we're just hanging out with one other person. Are you 

[00:29:21] Caleb: [00:29:21] there? I mean, you gotta, you gotta pick somebody. 

[00:29:24] Warren: [00:29:24] That's some other people besides my family 

[00:29:26] Caleb: [00:29:26] yeah. Was the same family and friends either for individuals who you're like, man, I'd love to have a conversation with that person.

[00:29:36] Warren: [00:29:36] Yeah. I think bill Gates is extremely interesting. I think, Elon Musk is extremely interesting. I think that, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is amazing and an inspiration for my daughter and me. and one more person maybe. Maybe Jerry Seinfeld too. 

[00:30:01] [00:30:00] Caleb: [00:30:01] I like Seinfeld. Gotcha. 

[00:30:03] Warren: [00:30:03] Just to just add some comedy to the, to the event, I like it. 

[00:30:06] Caleb: [00:30:06] Well, Warren, we're about to come to the end of this interview. I want to give you opportunity to let our listeners know what is next for noble.

[00:30:15] What is next for you? Where can I find noble? And ultimately, you know, how, like, what are some of the things you wanna accomplish 

[00:30:22] Warren: [00:30:22] in 2020? Well, thanks again, Caleb for making the time, noble, you can check us out at knowable dot F Y I, and we actually have a code for your listeners, which is people in tech, and if they apply it at checkout, they can get 50% off, any of our courses.

[00:30:40]and what's next for us as more courses, Continuing to find the best experts in the world and working on scaling high quality education to as many people as possible. And hopefully connecting with more people like you, who are entrepreneurial and inspiring and [00:31:00] leading by example. 

[00:31:02] Caleb: [00:31:02] Awesome. They won't listeners do not worry.

[00:31:04] I'm remember link all that information in the show notes, including a promo code. And the one thing I forgot to say, Warren, but like the reason I think I was really hooked, I liked the idea, but taking a launch a startup course, my day one listeners know I'm a huge sneakerhead and the fact that. Going through this course, and I'm hearing it about the CEO of goat talk about, well, these are so many things we went through.

[00:31:28] We had a day where our site got hit so hard. Everything was going down. I was like, these are good, probably half. And I'm like, Holy crap. I was probably the person helping crash the site. So again, very great comment. They won't us herself. I'll make sure to link all that up. I'm showing up. Well, Lauren, thanks so much for being on the show and really appreciate it.

[00:31:47] And I'd love to check in next year and see where you guys are going. 

[00:31:50] Warren: [00:31:50] What's next. Anytime Caleb really enjoyed it. Thanks for having me. 

[00:31:54] Caleb: [00:31:54] Alright. We're out. Peace.